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#1 Old 28th Aug 2017 at 7:53 AM Last edited by gabilei123 : 28th Aug 2017 at 8:18 AM.
Default Questions to "Brick Hause with half timbered Roof - no CC"
Here is the upload thread: http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=599313.

I got a message from joandsarah77 to this:

Quote: Originally posted by joandsarah77
Hi, interesting house. There are a few things that are not realistic on the house if you can fix them. The dormers are barely showing because your roof pitch is too steep, if you can bring the roof pitch lower they should show properly. Then there is a door going out into a one tile square which really looks like it needs support and the roof clips over where the sims walk. The easiest fix would be to remove the stairs case and door and just have a door from inside the house. The other option would be to add support under the tile and remodel the roof so it isn't going over the staircase.

~Thanks.


I have worked on the house and want to show images of the results:

First the dormers.

I think it is true, a not so steep roof on the dormers looks better.


Maybe I should remove the timbering from this dormer, not sure. Actually, I do not care whether or not.

Then the stairs. I want not lose one of the windows by setting a support under the upper landing, but I think, if I use the open underneath stairs from crocobaura, it looks better.
Unfortunately I would lose the "no CC".




Maybe I could give the upper landing a little support, but without I like it more.





Now the roof.



I have worked on it, but honestly, the previous version I liked a little bit more.
The roof clips the way where the sims walk not lower as one floor is high, beause roof and stairs are parallel,
so the Sims should be able not to harm their heads.

I have searched similar examples from real live, where also can seen, that open underneath is often used in reality.
And in some examples the upper landing of the stairs has no support like the whole staircalse
And sometimes the roof's border reaches particulary over the stairs.








wooden staircase "without" support.











Furhermore I want to say, that I go on vacation for two weeks tomorrow, and I do not know if I have internet there.

Best Regards
Gabi

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Links where I have found the pictures:
https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&...Afhjk-1lPKqypM:

https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&...p79tMkOHB5KPmM:

https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&...QBxpN-Vj_uEzqM:

https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&...PJpD91pVxULheM:

https://www.google.de/search?hl=de&...1aCe1R_-Vi8DpM:

http://pechlaner.it/holztreppe-hell-aussen/
https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s...7865931-87-5976
http://www.metalbau-lohse.de/treppen.html
http://www.bauschlosserei-rameil.de.../aussentreppen/
http://www.ato-treppenbau.de/v2/?page_id=2371
https://www.claus-goedecke.de/cubep...o/aussentreppe/
http://www.zimmerei-liess.de/refere...e-.php?bildnr=0
)
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#2 Old 28th Aug 2017 at 9:33 AM
If you go the open underneath stairs route (and hence lose the "no-CC") how about these - http://modthesims.info/download.php?t=392032

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#3 Old 28th Aug 2017 at 9:44 AM
Quote: Originally posted by whoward69
If you go the open underneath stairs route (and hence lose the "no-CC") how about these - http://modthesims.info/download.php?t=392032


Maybe, in any case this looks good. But honestly, I would also like, when people could use the house without CC.
But I will try in my game.
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#4 Old 28th Aug 2017 at 9:50 AM
As it would be such a minor difference, why not upload both? Or perhaps, add a picture of the CC version of the open-under stairs with links to the required downloads (and possibly instructions on how to make the change)

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#5 Old 28th Aug 2017 at 9:59 AM
Quote: Originally posted by whoward69
As it would be such a minor difference, why not upload both? Or perhaps, add a picture of the CC version of the open-under stairs with links to the required downloads (and possibly instructions on how to make the change)


If this would be allowed, I would do so. But I do not know, if the moderators would agree. I will wait (and build). Thanks for your suggestions.
Me? Sarcastic? Never.
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#6 Old 28th Aug 2017 at 2:03 PM
I don't see anything wrong with the dormers. They can be of any size and the windows are the right size. Maybe try the shed roof instead of the gable though.

https://www.horizonstructures.com/s...om-dormer-5.jpg

For the roof over the stairs, I would suggest bringing it out one more tile to create covered stairs.

And the "lack of support", your pictures show that this is done all the time. The support actually comes from the floor joists of the upper level extending out for that landing.
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#7 Old 28th Aug 2017 at 2:36 PM Last edited by gabilei123 : 28th Aug 2017 at 3:53 PM.
Quote: Originally posted by HugeLunatic
I don't see anything wrong with the dormers. They can be of any size and the windows are the right size. Maybe try the shed roof instead of the gable though.

https://www.horizonstructures.com/s...om-dormer-5.jpg

For the roof over the stairs, I would suggest bringing it out one more tile to create covered stairs.

And the "lack of support", your pictures show that this is done all the time. The support actually comes from the floor joists of the upper level extending out for that landing.


Thank you!

The dormers in the original http://www.modthesims.info/download.php?t=599313 should be the problem.

This house I built a long time ago, but I have rebuild it, and so I came to the idea to use the upper floor, and made the dormer not for decorating the roof, only for light on the hallway. But I had no problem, to change it.

I tried to cover the stair by the roof, but this looks so:




original:

Please ignore the open wall into the green hallway. While rebuilding I deletet the wall by mistake. I will not upload without the wall.

For my opinion all my changes of the roof do not lead not to an improvement, but I want not delete the stairs.
I am not sure, what I should do with this house.

(1) I would be happy, if I could let the roof in the original form.
(2) Should I use the open underneath stairs?
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#8 Old 28th Aug 2017 at 7:25 PM
IMO, I saw nothing wrong with your original. All of the issues found by the mod in your upload can be backed up with RL designs that have been done. Except the stairs, but that requires cc, and I don't think you should be required to add it. The downloader will change that out if they want. If it were me, I would pm the mod and discuss the issues they have and show that that IRL it exists so it is accurate.
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#9 Old 28th Aug 2017 at 7:33 PM
Quote: Originally posted by HugeLunatic
IMO, I saw nothing wrong with your original. All of the issues found by the mod in your upload can be backed up with RL designs that have been done. Except the stairs, but that requires cc, and I don't think you should be required to add it. The downloader will change that out if they want. If it were me, I would pm the mod and discuss the issues they have and show that that IRL it exists so it is accurate.


I have already sent a PM, but it seems the mod is absent. So I will do nothing for now. Thank you!
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#10 Old 28th Aug 2017 at 11:02 PM
I am not absent I was asleep as I am in Australia.

I asked for the roof pitch to be lowered a little so the dormers would show properly and that the roof going over the stairs was not realistic since sims would have had to walk through it (I was not even sure if they could walk through or be blocked) What you have done there looks better. None of the real life house pictures have the issue with the roof. The roof is away from the heads/bodies of real people. I suggested adding support under the stairs and changing the roof/or removing the stairs as that was easier. The main issue was the roof cutting low and down over the stairs. I asked for these changes as it did not look realistic the way it was. If you have an issue with an upload/a query about a pm please use Creator Issues.

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#11 Old 28th Aug 2017 at 11:53 PM
Quote: Originally posted by gabilei123
I have already sent a PM, but it seems the mod is absent. So I will do nothing for now. Thank you!
Please be aware that the moderators on this site live all over the world and they are not always awake when you are

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#12 Old 29th Aug 2017 at 12:03 AM Last edited by gabilei123 : 29th Aug 2017 at 12:21 AM.
Sorry, I hope it is ok, if I ask here.

Are the new dormers now ok?

Sims can use the stairs.

But I see the roof is not really parallel to the stairs, so it is a little bit low at the bottom end.
I would still prefer the original roof, but if you insist, I will change it.

What kind of support do you mean for the stairs?

Thank you for help

And now I should go to bed.

EDIT:

Maybe this looks better:

But this is no solution:
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#13 Old 29th Aug 2017 at 12:17 AM
The part about the stairs having no support that she was talking about is the little square the stairs are attached to and remember it is early morning in Australia so she is a bit of a different schedule than you are, so you will probably be sleeping before she answers!
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#14 Old 29th Aug 2017 at 12:28 AM
Quote: Originally posted by gdayars
The part about the stairs having no support that she was talking about is the little square the stairs are attached to and remember it is early morning in Australia so she is a bit of a different schedule than you are, so you will probably be sleeping before she answers!


Thank you!

I'm afraid, you mean that:

I hope not. This I try to avoid the whole time, because I would lose one window.

And now I should really go to bed.
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